A step into astrology, a fall out of reality!

listenN:  Today, in Episode 15 astrologer and Wayshower, Michelle Piller, who we met in episode six is back to take us on a ride through the moon phases and how we can use them to help manifest our goals. Spoiler alert, she doesn’t stop there. The back half of this conversation is pretty mind bending as Michelle challenges our reality with the conversation around the merging of new science with spirituality and how this is affecting our consciousness. Hi Michelle, welcome back to listenN.

Michelle Piller:  Hi, Brian. I’m glad to be back, thank you.

listenN:  Yeah, I’m so glad to talk with you some more. Our last conversation was fairly extensive and it touched on a number of different topics, but it mostly was to introduce you to my audience. This time around, I’d like to talk to you with just a little bit more around sort of some fundamentals and I’d like to start with astrology because I’m one of those people that I believe in astrology, but I have a difficult time communicating to other people why or how they should approach it in a way that maybe can resonate with them. If you were to take somebody, and let’s say they’re a blank slate and they’re new to all of this, how might you start introducing them to something like astrology?

Michelle Piller:  Well, that’s a really great question, Brian, especially since I am a kind of astrologer that more and more is moving away from the term astrology because I’m finding astrology as a term. Number one, it comes with a lot of baggage, but that’s besides the point. It’s not enough of an encompassing term for where we are evolving towards and what a replacement term is yet I haven’t come up with it. Hey, listeners hit me with your great ideas.

listenN:  Let’s blend something there.

Michelle Piller:  Yeah. But what I will say, Brian, for people were to jump into, let’s call it astrology and honestly, they’re skeptical or non-believers, that’s okay. But I would throw them into the physics pool and explain it as it’s simply, it’s resonance. It’s about resonance. Everything in creation resonates either harmonically or not with everything else. Everything that is living has a frequency. It has a type of resonance. We as biological entities resonate with everything in creation, including the sun and the planets. We are all forged out of the same, let’s say, creative boiler room. We all exploded out of a debris of star dust, and so we carry the same codes and energy. It’s physics.

listenN:  That was great. Let’s just take a step back and let’s just talk about… maybe you can walk me through some sort of fundamental examples maybe by using some things to do with astrology or something basic, like maybe the sun and the moon, et cetera.

Michelle Piller:  My feeling is that for anybody that is new to following any kind of cycles of the planets or the sun and the moon, start with the sun and the moon. Those are the lights in the sky. We live by the sun literally. The moon is simply a reflective satellite. It reflects the light of the sun. A basic primer that neither the moon nor any of the planets have any particular light in and of themselves. Anytime we see Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter or Saturn in the skies, when we can see those planets, we’re actually seeing the light of the sun reflecting off of the surface of those planets. It’s the same with the moon.

Now, I know that’s really basic stuff, but there is a symbolic reason that I mentioned that. That really if we’re going to be seekers of spiritual wholeness and seekers of truth, then the sun is our most guiding principle. Does that make sense so far?

listenN:  Yeah, that makes total sense. I’ve never thought of it that way. That’s interesting that the sun gives us life and light and what we see is being reflected by that.

Michelle Piller:  Oh, that’s really nicely put. Yes, exactly. Since it is the moon that we see above and beyond the planets, we can’t always see the planets. Sometimes they are so close to the sun that we can’t see them. The moon we see quite often. I’m going to share with you a really basic hack that can help people in terms of timing their efforts. The idea is that as the moon waxes, meaning as its light grows, you want to make that time. That’s a 14-day period from a new moon to a full moon. While that light in the sky is growing, is really your best time to make your external efforts towards manifestation. Does that make sense?

listenN:  That makes sense. But let me just ask you, when you say the word efforts and increase your efforts, maybe describe a little bit about what you mean by efforts.

Michelle Piller:  Okay. You have a goal to accomplish, let’s say that. Let’s say you have about a four-week timeline for that accomplishment. Your best way to manage that is to… if you can throw your Gregorian mindset, your Gregorian calendar mindset, away as much as you can and follow the light of the moon. When the moon is dark, we don’t see a moon in the sky. It is in its new phase and that’s a good time for you. Look up at the sky at night. I see absolutely no moonlight. Well, that must mean that we’re in the new moon phase. It’s time for me to establish clarity about my next goal, my intention, what do I wish to do with these next 14 days? Then as you start to see a sliver of moon and that light continues to grow, you want to take very tangible steps towards that goal.

listenN:  Got you.

Michelle Piller:  Yeah.

listenN:  Yeah, that’s a very interesting way to describe it is like as that sliver of light is growing across the face of the moon, that’s increasing your intensity or your volume of effort.

Michelle Piller:  Yes, exactly. Right? That is working with the cycles and it really doesn’t have anything to do with the Gregorian calendar. I’m not bashing the Gregorian calendar. I’m just saying that if you are completely new to this kind of information, then that’s a really helpful basic primer. Once we get to the full moon and we all know what that looks like, then count about three days after the full moon. Now, you’re going to notice the light of the moon starts to wane. It decreases.

As it gets less and less, your best effort is to go from external output to a more internal and reflective phase. Thinking about, “Okay, what have I accomplished towards my goals so far? Where might I need to do some course corrections? How am I feeling about this? Is it still my goal? Has anything shifted yet?” That’s more of an internal questioning journey.

listenN:  Okay. That sounds like a very nice rhythmic pattern for life in general, which is you’ve got 14 days on and 14 days of reflection before you start your 14 days on again.

Michelle Piller:  Yes, exactly.

listenN:  Now, explain to me what might happen or… Again, if I’m testing this model, let’s say I decide because of circumstances that during a period where I should be internal, I’m still going to be external. Is there any sort of things that might come along or happen that make it obvious? Here’s a perfect example of doing that.

Michelle Piller:  What I would tell you is, if you are as strenuous in your efforts during the waning phase of the moon, you may notice a sense of diminishing returns. You’re chasing after something that is kind of running away from you. It’s confusing because you thought you had it within grasp.

listenN:  Right, right. You’ve been doing your 14 days, you’re working really hard, you look like you’re about to get it. It’s just going to take a little more effort. But if it’s like four or five, six days after that full moon, you’re going to potentially start to feel like it’s slipping through your fingers. In other words, that’s normal.

Michelle Piller:  Yes. It’s part of the cycle, which is a message for you to check in with yourself, to stop striving so externally and to get into, “What is happening inside here? What’s happening inside me? Where am I at with this process? Do I want to keep striving?” It’s feeling a little more challenging. Now, speaking of challenging Brian, there are always two caveats when we’re following the lunar cycle when you see the half moon in the sky.

listenN:  Explain that to me, half-moon.

Michelle Piller:  Oh, okay. When you look up at the spine and it looks like you can see half a moon?

listenN:  Oh, like only half is lit up?

Michelle Piller:  Yeah.

listenN:  Okay. Yeah.

Michelle Piller:  Now, the irony is we actually call that a quarter moon even though you can clearly see half the moon lit up, but it’s just referring to that we’re a quarter of the way through its four week process cycle.

listenN:  It’s one week in?

Michelle Piller:  Yes, yes, exactly. One week after a new moon and one week after a full moon, you’re going to get that half moon glow in the sky. When you see a half moon, that is a really lovely visual reminder to slow down and check in. I would call that the equivalent of, you’re in your car and you’re approaching an Amber signal, you better choose to slow down and not go through the intersection.

listenN:  Right.

Michelle Piller:  Right? That’s what a quarter moon is telling us symbolically. For newbies, again, a quarter moon simply looks like half a pie in the sky.

listenN:  Now, is that true on the way up and down meaning?

Michelle Piller:  Yes.

listenN:  In other words, even during that first week of effort going from a new moon to a full moon, you’re going to come to a phase, which is a half moon or a quarter moon as you described it, but half the moon is let, that’s also a time to go within.

Michelle Piller:  Yes, it is a moment to pause and say, “Hang on a second, let’s make sure A, I know exactly what I’m doing here. B, do I have all the right parts? Are my ducks lined up?” Usually, when we get to a that quarter moon, whether the light is waxing or waning, we encounter the, let’s call it, the proof of concept. This is the testing phase. This is where we have to say, “Okay, I’ve encountered a little hurdle or it could be a big hurdle, but I’ve encountered some kind of hurdle. How am I going to get around it or over it? Or do I want to? Is it actually this hurdle telling me this is not a viable project or goal at this particular moment?” Make sense so far?

listenN:  Yeah. Now, this is great. I love this.

Michelle Piller:  I’m going to give you one more little hack about the moon.

listenN:  The moon hacks.

Michelle Piller:  Yes, because this I love. When you see the sweet little crescent moons, okay, whether it is waxing or waning, those are very sweet moments of opportunity. For people that again don’t necessarily follow the cycle of the moon, all you have to do is look up at the sky and you see a nice little crescent moon. That’s a visual reminder that if you make an effort, it will really flow nicely for you. It will yield more positive results than you would imagine with just a little bit of effort.

listenN:  Now, I just want to get some clarity here when you say the crescent moon and just a little bit of light, so I think of the DreamWorks logo, right?

Michelle Piller:  Yes, that’s the moon. That’s the crescent moon. Yes.

listenN:  Right. Explain to me again, what’s the difference between that and a new moon?

Michelle Piller:  A new moon is dark. We can’t see the moon when it’s in its new phase because it’s in the same sector of the sky as the sun. We can’t see it. Now, if you do happen to be a person that gets up really early, you may see the moon rising, or at least the shadow of the moon, you might see it rising with the sun. But very few people actually catch the new moon. You certainly won’t see it at nighttime.

listenN:  Right. Okay. I get it. Basically, the crescent is kind of the start of the new moon. There’s the new moon and then a day or so later, you’ll start to see the crescent of the moon light up.

Michelle Piller:  Yeah. About three days later, you’ll start seeing that sweet little crescent. That’s a moment for you to say, “Who do I need to connect with that is going to help me do this, that, and the other?” Or, “I would like to make an appointment with so and so.” This is probably a more winning day to reach out to that person than if I wait another three days when I’m going to see that half moon in the sky, which says, “Slow down Amber.”

listenN:  Right, right. Oh, this is great. When it goes the other way, when it’s christening off, it’s the same thing?

Michelle Piller:  That’s when I would say, those are your sweet thank yous. Thank you for doing this. That’s when want to reach out to a person. Brian, when you can be a little bit sneaky, but it’s not bad, it’s not nefarious. When you reach out to somebody really ostensibly for one purpose, but really it’s for another purpose underneath?

listenN:  Right. Yeah.

Michelle Piller:  Okay. That’s what that final sliver in the sky can be. It can be that lovely, “Thanks for having us over for dinner.” Or, “Thank you for your efforts on this, that, and the other.” It keeps you in mind for down the road when you may need their help again and you’ve dotted your Is and you’ve crossed your Ts. It’s a really lovely time to do it. It’s received benevolently by that other person.

listenN:  Right. Got you. Now, this is great.

Michelle Piller:  That’s what I love about how simple it is to just… All you have to do is look up at the sky and see what’s going on and we’re given some visual cues about how to go with the flow.

listenN:  Welcome back. I’m talking with Michelle from Mystic Maps, who’s discussing the symbolic nature of the moon and is about to introduce us to a concept that is truly out of this world. I just want to take a step back though and go, okay, everything that I think most lay people know about the moon is, “Hey, full moon. That’s crazy time. That’s when the crazies come out.” Explain to me if we’ve got this idea of going from a new moon to a full moon and all of this energy and all of this activity is building and all this external effort. Is the full moon just the moment when there’s just too much going on like there’s all this effort or is there still that aspect of loony crazy? There’s too much going on with the… all the crazies have come out?

Michelle Piller:  Well, all of the above. Yeah. We always notice heightened energy out of full moon, right? Everybody notices it. Even people who never stop to look up at the night sky, you’ll hear them say, “Why is everything so crazy today?” I always want to say, “Look up at the sky, full moon.” Here’s the thing though. A full moon is the peak. It’s the peak of the cycle between the sun and the moon. They have reached the furthest distance from each other that they’re 180 degrees apart. That’s half of the circle. The sun and the moon are as far apart from each other as they can be. They’re across the sky, so to say, across the Zodiac from each other. It is the height, the culmination of their relationship. That creates a type of tension because I liken it to you’ve got an axis and you’ve got… well, let’s say it’s a seesaw.

You’ve got the sun sitting on one side of the seesaw and the moon on the other, and they need to hold that access strong, right?

listenN:  Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Michelle Piller:  Or one of them is going to go flying off the seesaw.

listenN:  Right.

Michelle Piller:  It’s a reminder at the full moon for us to maintain a sense of inner balance. It’s a type of spiritual yoga. When you start noticing the crazies come out, you want to check in to find out if are one of the crazies. If you know, “Am I adding to this? Am I adding to this crazy energy? How can I be stillness? How can I be stillness in the midst of the tension that I am noticing around me or that I may be experiencing from within?” But what I love about a full moon is that culmination, it’s the report card. It’s the cosmic report card saying, “This is where you’re at. This is where you’re at in your manifestation journey.” If you’re not quite very yet, you’ve got another moon cycle coming up.

listenN:  Right. See, I’ve always used the moon when I’m talking to people that kind of don’t believe in even the effects of a full moon. I’ve always just said the whole concept of I’ve used the body of water. I say like, “Listen, if the moon can affect our tides, then why wouldn’t that affect our bodies if we’re 70% water?” But I love how you’ve taken that. Your moon hacks I think are fantastic because you’ve taken it out of the emotional and the loony and the crazy and gone, here it is in a structure and in a way that it can help you manifest and feel like you are in rhythm with some cycles.

Michelle Piller:  Yes.

listenN:  Which is what the moon did for our ancestors, right?

Michelle Piller:  Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed.

listenN:  It’s meant to be something that’s rhythmic and about a cycle and phases. It’s not meant just to be, “Oh, it’s crazy and emotional,” and other sorts of things that people just associate with sort of the moon and the craziness of a full moon.

Michelle Piller:  You’re raising an interesting point there in talking about how some people see that lunar energy as being associated with madness. We call it lunacy and craziness and things like that.

listenN:  Right.

Michelle Piller:  I’m fascinated by that because in the nature of the work that I do, I do a lot of reading, a lot of research just to keep up with where we’re going in terms of the community that I associate with, which is by and large called the Lightworker Community or the Wayshower Community. This is where my moon hacks that you love, I’m going to throw a little wrench into the works because I have over the past several months come up against many writers who are saying we have to stop paying attention to the cycles of the moon. That kind of headline grabs my attention right away.

As a follower of the moon, I want to know why someone would say, “Stop using the moon in astrology or in general.” I’ve been doing a lot of digging and it’s really getting weird, Brian. We are living in this age where we’ve now got this term fake news and we know that living in the digital age we’ve got access to as much disinformation as we do valid information.

listenN:  Right.

Michelle Piller:  It makes our job as humans really challenging to suss out what we can actually rely on and what we need to discard. It’s no different in the Spiritual Seeking Community. It’s very complicated.

listenN:  Right.

Michelle Piller:  I’m wondering if you would like me to share with you some of the odd things that I’ve been encountering in my reading.

listenN:  Now, when you’re saying the odd things, you mean like things that are contradicting each other or-

Michelle Piller:  Yes.

listenN:  Okay. Show, yeah. Please share away.

Michelle Piller:  Okay. Well, this is going to go a little bit weird. It’s for your listeners. I apologize if it’s too much, but on the other hand, you could think of me as a type of guide or curator of what’s out there information wise. There is a community of people and I would ask you to look up David Icke. Last name I-C-K-E spelled icky, but his name is David Icke. He’s a British fellow that has been talking about the moon for decades and decades. He’s really out there. Now one of the things that David Icke proposes and many people agree with him is that the moon is not an organic celestial body. I’m going to let that sink in for a second.

listenN:  When you say organic, do you mean that it’s… is that like saying it’s just a rock?

Michelle Piller:  He is saying it is not rock. It is not even organic. David Icke says that the moon is a hollowed out type of base that the face of the moon that we never see because remember we only see one face of the moon.

listenN:  Right.

Michelle Piller:  We don’t actually know what the other side of the moon looks like. David Icke claims that there has always been a lunar base that it has ancient alien technology on it. That there is an ancient hollowed out spaceship of some sorts. That, that is essentially what the moon is. It is not a celestial body. It is a thing that was put there and he poses the question, when did the moon appear? Was there ever a time when there wasn’t a moon?

He has spoken with physicists who say… Brian, I don’t remember if we talked about this the last time I was on listenN.

listenN:  I don’t think we did, but we-

Michelle Piller:  One of the things that David Icke has said is that he has spoken with physicists who say, “It actually is inexplicable how something the size of the moon that large could be this close to the earth and not get pulled in to us and crash into us. It’s inconceivable how that’s happening and we can’t explain it. It makes no sense. It’s too big an object to make any type of physics sense.”

listenN:  Physicists are agreeing with that?

Michelle Piller:  They’re not necessarily saying to David Icke, “Hey, we think you are right on Mr. It’s a hollowed out spaceship.

listenN:  Right.

Michelle Piller:  They’re saying, “We can’t explain. We can’t explain why the moon hasn’t crashed into the earth. It’s too big an object. It has too much mass. Why does it not collide with us?”

listenN:  Right. Now, other planets have moons as well, right?

Michelle Piller:  Yes.

listenN:  And they don’t crash into them?

Michelle Piller:  Correct. I am supposing that that is explained by the moons are not as close to those planets as our moon is to our planet.

listenN:  Okay.

Michelle Piller:  The idea is that it is too large to be this close to us. It makes no sense. That’s one thing, if you will, about the moons.

listenN:  That’s the non organic comment explained?

Michelle Piller:  Yes.

listenN:  Okay.

Michelle Piller:  That is David Icke’s viewpoint. Really to go down that rabbit hole, if anybody wants to, you’d have to [inaudible 00:31:32] YouTube, David Icke and Moon because he talks about many, many, many things. The moon is just one of them and it’s pretty out there. If that’s a fascinating thing, go down that rabbit hole and remember that I am simply the messenger. I have no comment one way or the other. Haven’t been to the moon and don’t know. But it becomes a challenge for somebody like me who is driven by curiosity to get to the bottom of something. It becomes a challenge to know what is real and what is not.

listenN:  Welcome back. I’m talking with Michelle from Mystic Maps who’s bending our reality around the new science merging with spirituality and what the evolution of humanity may actually look and feel like. I know you know the physicist and I always say his name wrong but Nassim Haramein.

Michelle Piller:  Nassim Haramein.

listenN:  Haramein, thank you for that. Yes. Listening to him talk about gravity and energy, you would not be far off from us. See, I’ve always had this belief system that we once believed the earth was flat and we look back at those people and go, “What a bunch of idiots.” Well, right now in our evolution of knowledge and understanding, we still believe the world is something like flat that somebody in the future will look back and go, “Look at those idiots. They thought whatever the moon was real or that gravity existed or whatever.” That these new paradigms, I guess they are, this new physics is showing us is starting to be under question.

When I listened to you say the moon could be a hollowed out spaceship that was put there for some purpose that we will one day discover, that could be… I’m at that point in my life where I go, “Yeah maybe,” because I’ve, I’ve seen so many things that have just been proven even in the last 20 years that we’ve proven them to not be correct, and we’ve believed something for a long time. So, yeah. Anyways, that’s my ramble. But yeah. Okay. Let’s put a period at the end of that, the moon is not organic and send people to the internet to… They should probably start at a new moon so that they can ramp up their efforts and definitely take those reflection moments. Okay. There’s people who don’t follow the phases of the moon because it’s not organic.

Michelle Piller:  Correct. Now, they’re also saying… Within, let’s call it, the Lightwork Community, Wayshower community, some of our listeners may have heard of the term Ascension Community. Basically, whatever you want to label it. The work that I do involves being part of the evolution of humanity. Let’s just call it that. I think most people on the planet are really interested in self evolution. I’m just giving the benefit of the doubt that we all wish to, at the end of the day, be better and more whole inside than we were before.

listenN:  Correct.

Michelle Piller:  I come across other readings that don’t necessarily say, “Let’s go with the earth as a hollowed out spaceship,” which is David Icke’s a theory. But that the moon is… how to put this, Brian. That it’s energy is… I’ve actually read the term fallen energy and I’m putting that in air quotes for you. It represents fallen energy because everything in life in creation is coded by virtue of the fact that it exists. You are coded, I am coded.

Coding is another word for information. We get our coding through our sun, our star, the thing that holds our life together. Sunlight as lovely and poetic as it is it, you can also look at it scientifically from a computer point of view and say that sunlight is encoded with energy and information. We come to this idea that I come across, which is that the moon’s energy is fallen. Its codes meaning its information belongs to an old system that entrapped and enslaved humans and prevented humans from being self reflective and from busting out of whatever limiting paradigms they were in. That making sense so far?

listenN:  Yes. Yes. Let me just recap. The moon allowed us to externalize what would be internal reflection. We externalized it to this moon and we therefore didn’t learn to do that on our own internally.

Michelle Piller:  Well, that’s an interesting way of putting it and actually very well said. I would actually go one further and say we can’t even pin that on the moon. That’s how we are as a culture-

listenN:  Correct.

Michelle Piller:  … clearly.

listenN:  Yes, yes, yes, absolutely. It wasn’t the moon doing it to us, we just had this thing up there in the sky going through its phases that we attached a lot of meaning to.

Michelle Piller:  Yes. And that we are guilty, I suppose you could say as a culture. Certainly, as Western culture we are guilty of externalizing everything and really having very little in the way of reflection. We are a consumer society. We are driven by the wants and needs of our egos, which are really… our egos are fear-driven, okay? The things that I come across in my readings about the moon align with this idea that the more we follow the cycles of the moon, the more we remain fear-driven driven by egoic desire. It’s an old system that is collapsing as we try to evolve ourselves into a new way of living.

listenN:  I mean, that make sense if we go back to what you were originally discussing when you were talking about the phases of the moon and the moon hacks, you use the word efforts, right? Which is an ego thing, right? Because that’s what came up for me right away. It’s like, “Oh I must have a goal. I must have something I desire in order to start to follow these phases of the moon to then manifest what it is that I’m wanting.”

Michelle Piller:  Bingo. Exactly. What is actually happening very slowly, but catching on around the world is an entirely opposite idea. That’s why we are having real interesting but nevertheless clashing ideas. These that you and I have been talking about this external output, efforting, striving, these are what the Wayshower Community calls three-dimensional concepts. They are laden with effort striving. There is a new approach to life that is gently catching on and the Wayshower Community would call that a fifth dimensional concept, which is stop striving, tune in to yourself and notice your own electro magnetism. What do I mean by that? That’s the positive negative energy, right?

Everything has a charge and a current signer, either an electric charge, which is that positive yang external output, right?

listenN:  Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Michelle Piller:  The magnetic current is yang. It’s receptive, it’s passive, it’s right brain creative intuitive. As a species, what we are now grappling with is, “Do I want to do what I’ve always done?” I have been taught that striving and achieving, that’s just what you do. That’s what life is. You do that. Now, there’s a new school of thought that’s saying, what would happen if you stopped that and tuned into yourself and said, “Actually, do I even want this thing that I’m positing I strive for number one?” Number two, if I want it, I don’t have to work so hard for it. This is where we get into creative visualization, which you and I have talked about.

The more magnetic sense of aligning yourself with it by virtue of dreaming on it, thinking on it, imagining yourself in that situation that you desire to bring about feeling the feelings that you would feel if you were in that situation. I’m going to pause for a moment, Brian, because I don’t want to let it slip. Some of that information for listeners that want to go down that rabbit hole, one of the people that I follow is Dr. Joe Dispenza.

listenN:  How do you spell that last name?

Michelle Piller:  D-I-S-P-E-N-Z-A. Anybody that might’ve watched the movie, The Secret, might remember Dr. Joe.

listenN:  Okay, yeah.

Michelle Piller:  Following him on Instagram, for instance, can be a real eyeopener if you want to learn more about how to just work with who you are, work with who you are to be where you want to be.

listenN:  Right.

Michelle Piller:  That has nothing to do with lunar energy. It has to do with tuning in and noticing the frequency that you are at. What do I mean by that? It’s tuning in and what am I noticing about myself? What’s my body doing right now? Is it giving me any signals? If so, where? Am I feeling calm? Really, we’re entering a period where… And this is where Nassim Haramein, the physicist that you mentioned, comes in. It’s around acknowledging your internal world.

Your internal world is the very thing that shows up externally for you. If you want to know where you’re at, look at your surroundings and that’s going to give you a big piece of information about what your internal landscape is like. That would be a hack for people that are new to self reflection or don’t know quite what they’re looking for. If you want to know, “Well, where am I at psychologically, spiritually? Am I in a pretty calm centered place?” Well, look at your current environment. Your environment is always, always a reflection of something that’s going on within you.

listenN:  Would it be an interesting exercise for somebody who’s just trying to figure this out, to sit down and maybe look at their environment, whether it’s where they live, how they live, who they live, and write down descriptions of that?

Michelle Piller:  Yes.

listenN:  Let’s say I live in a messy apartment and it’s not very clean and there’s food that’s kind of molding in the fridge, and my clothes are piled on the floor and if I put some words to that, messy, maybe unhealthy, et cetera, et cetera, you would then take that and you’d say, “Okay, how is that internally? How am I internally messy? Is that what you would or-“

Michelle Piller:  Yes, yes. That’s a very useful tool for self-awareness, is to take that information that your external environment is providing and say, “And how am I like that myself?” Because this is something that ultimately physics is leading us to. Something that every great mystic has told us, which is everything is one. You are your external environment. That the deepest, deepest kernel of the truth, and this is where it gets a little existential, is there is only One. One with a capital O. There is only One and everything splinters off as a reflection refraction piece of that one. The internal and the external are the same.

listenN:  Yes, exactly. Just to try and kind of… Okay, so we started talking about the moon astrology 101 to the power of 10 I think. Now, we’ve gone into… So we learned some moon hacks. We then talked about whether the moon is actually something that we should be spending time and attention on, which then opened up the conversation about sort of where things are going. People are starting to look more internally and more than magnetic kind of attraction. That is sort of something that we are learning. Just in kind of a bit of maybe summary, what’s coming up for me is, are we going to be able to feel more grounded in this new way of thinking and seeing like looking internally and looking at magnetism as opposed to astrology, and the moon, and these types of things that they never really… People never felt grounded in it.

I mean, yes, there’s astrologers who might have felt grounded in it and there’s people who felt… But like as a society, we didn’t really pick that ball up and run with that, right?

Michelle Piller:  Exactly.

listenN:  As I keep talking with different people about where we’re going as a society and where we’re going as our consciousness expands, do you see us grounding ourselves in this new paradigm in a way that we’ve never grounded ourselves in something maybe other than religion?

Michelle Piller:  Yes, yes, yes, yes, I do. That excites me tremendously because we are, I would say, the vast majority of us have been either taught or have learned how to cope with the immense difficulties of the inner person on this planet by living in our heads, right.

listenN:  Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Michelle Piller:  Many people live from the neck up and are divorced from the rest of their body. That’s why if you look around and you’re living in a messy pad and there’s food going off and there’s piles of laundry gathering and so on, that’s a really strong hint that you are not grounded in yourself. You are not living in your body. The beauty of learning how to live… And I’m going to include electricity as well. We do not want to divorce electricity from magnetism. We are moving into a time when these two things need to flow.

The electric and magnetic principles work beautifully together. We, the humans have to wake up to that and know that we are pure electromagnet city. Let’s learn how to use our bodies because that’s what it is. Tuning in to your own self is a way of grounding yourself. This is not meant to be some kind of hippie dippy thing. It is meant to ground you, put you back into your body. Actually Brian, there is a term for that in the Wayshower Community and that is called not surprisingly embodiment.

listenN:  Okay.

Michelle Piller:  We are learning how to be fully realized spiritual beings in our body. We are taking the old messaging that came from some religious doctrine nation that the body is some kind of shameful thing that one must transcend. We are doing away with that notion and we are saying actually the body is my vehicle and it is as much a vector of enlightenment as my mind, if you will.

It is a part of enlightenment, not a part from enlightenment. It’s a piece of it.

listenN:  Right.

Michelle Piller:  We cannot become enlightened if we refuse to live within our bodies fully on the ground, while our heads may be in the clouds and aspiring to a more joyful, gracious way of living. But that is not pie in the sky. You can only make that happen by living the reality in your body. I’m going to bring this back to Nassim Haramein because you mentioned him earlier. He talked about gravity, he talks about gravity. Nassim Haramein proposes that time and gravity are one and that really we are time and gravity. It is our memories that create time.

listenN:  Right.

Michelle Piller:  I’m now going to extend that principle. When you live in your memory, when you are living in stories, in events that occurred yesterday and before you are entrapped in time, you are entrapped in gravity, you are entrapped in your memory and your memory is time. If you wish to be a person that is living in the now, you have to be willing to let go of stories that you have told yourself about who you are, about where you come from, and about what is possible for you. You have to start with beginner mind. That’s a child mind, innocent mind of, “What is now possible for me if I take away all the stories of limitation that I’ve told myself?” That’s gravity and that’s time. It’s really, really cool how we are really starting to align science and spirituality.

listenN:  Our memory as time or the creator of time fascinates me because it feels so true. We’ve all heard many people say time is irrelevant or time doesn’t exist or there’s multiple timelines and there’s always been that… And I don’t understand. It doesn’t make sense to me. But when I heard him describe that our memories create the concept of time, that just blew my mind. It makes me excited to have another conversation with you on another episode where we can go down that rabbit hole. I’ll have to label it something other than astrology couple of ideas you might want to think about.

Michelle Piller:  I agree. I’d love to have that conversation with you. I’m passionate about where we’re at right now with physics and how it’s merging with the spiritual community. It is a rather edgy conversation, Brian, because finding language that we can all understand around new concepts, that’s where it becomes exciting and challenging at the same time.

I would simply now leave our listeners with the thought that everything is connected. When you’re looking up at the night sky, you’re looking at the moon, you might want to ask yourself, “What is that? Is that a chunk of ancient star dust or is that in fact some other thing that is not organic and has nothing to do with anything?” Maybe it’s a monitoring device. Maybe it’s a satellite in the modern sense of the word. It just is a technological thing that keeps track of us. Ask yourself some questions. Do the Katie Byron thing, is this true?

listenN:  Right.

Michelle Piller:  Go within, trust yourself. I will repeat this message probably every time you and I have a conversation, your body cannot lie. Your body will speak the truth, even if your mind tells you an entirely different story. If it feels right, if it feels true and your body is flooded with some kind of information that says, “Oh my God, yes, I believe that,” believe it.

listenN:  That should be a T-shirt, your body does not lie.

Michelle Piller:  Right.

listenN:  I mean, that’s very, very, very good advice. Well, this journey that we have gone on has been fascinating and it’s opened up a whole lot of interesting subject matters, some references. I’ll put all of that stuff in the episode notes, links to the different people that you’ve mentioned and where to find them on the internet. But on that note, Michele, where can people find you if they want to reach out and connect with you?

Michelle Piller:  Well, you can find me on Instagram at Mystic Maps by Michele and on Twitter, which is just Mystic Maps. I have a Facebook page Mystic Maps as well. Or just throw me an email if you want, [email protected] and I will try to share with my followers input that I get from trusted sources. Throw me your questions, I’m here for you.

listenN:  That’s great. Well, it’s been a real pleasure. Thank you so much for taking the time to be back on listenN.

Michelle Piller:  Oh, I love being on your programs, so thank you.

listenN:  Oh, great. Thanks, Michele. Take care.

Michelle Piller:  All right. Take care, Brian.

listenN:  Bye.

Michelle Piller:  Bye.

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